Author John Scalzi was on a roll this morning (currently 7:14 AM, 26 Sept. 2014) with a tweet he found from some guy sending out an “ultimatum” to women to “make a choice” between feminism and, well, men like him. So Scalzi launched into a truly magnificent set of scorchers, which I’m posting here for the delectation of people everywhere.
Also: I would like to thank that guy for setting the ultimatum. It makes finding a boyfriend so much easier when the undesirable ones wear a placard identifying themselves.
There is no problem that sass cannot solve
My favorite response is, in fact, not included here, though Scalzi retweeted it…it was a link to Tom Hiddleston tweeting support for Emma Watson.
You know, the one that gives housewives/full-time mothers a pension— wages for housework?
It’s ONLY A HUGE VICTORY FOR FEMINISM, SOCIALISM, AND WOMEN OF COLOR. Not a big deal or anything. Tumblr is mysteriously silent about this.
Dragons are henceforth a feminist icon. You’re no longer allowed to participate in the appreciation of dragons and dragons in culture unless you’re totally down for helping the equality movement.
Anti-feminist blogs are mad about this post so everyone should reblog it.
I saved this image off Tumblr awhile ago and I never thought I’d find another use for it
laverne cox is well on her way to becoming one of the most important, inspiring feminist icons of our time don’t even look at me if you think differently.
a whole study asking the important questions
(transcription of the abstract)
Despite the popular belief that feminists dislike men, few studies have actually examined the empirical accuracy of this stereotype. The present study examined self-identified feminists’ and nonfeminists’ attitudes toward men. An ethnically diverse sample (N = 488) of college students responded to statements from the Ambivalence toward Men Inventory (AMI; Glick & Fiske, 1999). Contrary to popular beliefs, feminists reported lower levels of hostility toward men than did nonfeminists. The persistence of the myth of the man-hating feminist is explored.
*places hands on chin* Hmm, would you look at that.
i find it really sad that there has to be an empirical study “proving” that feminists do not, in fact, hate men
wonder how long it’ll like for mras and anti-feminists to start nitpicking at methodology or rant about how social sciences are a joke anyway
Why would this surprise people?
I mean, I get why people THINK it, but it’s not really thinking through what’s going on very clearly. Like, they assume that feminists invented all the stuff men do to women or something, and non-feminists either don’t notice it, or like it, or it doesn’t happen to them. But it still does, and I don’t think they like it any more than we do. But if you don’t deconstruct it, it ends up festering as this resentment that men are giant jerks to you but you don’t know why and you can’t do anything about it and you can’t say anything about it. It’s not like street harassment or assault or threats of rape only happen to feminists. It’s not like sexist jokes or judgement of bodies only happen to feminists. But I think talking about it and analyzing it helps a lot in seeing it as being a societal problem and a problem with how men are taught and raised and how society privileges them, rather than just feeling like your feelings are invalid and have no place and just building up this frustration at men. Also, that you realize you can have spaces without this, that this is not the default way people HAVE to function, and you can have safe spaces, and spaces with men who are aware of their male privilege, and make friends with those men, rather than the “that’s just the way men are and we have to live with it *sigh*” attitude that a lot of the rest of society teaches us.
Oh, nicely played.
GIMME THE DAMN BUTTON
More important than the freedom to choose is what choices are actually made available.
I feel like whoever edited this kinda missed the point. They’re bringing up ways in which women are NOT given choices, when the point being made here is that feminism is about fighting FOR choices. If the problems being pointed out here weren’t issues, then there would be no need for feminism, because it IS all about choice. It’s about making a world in which you really can choose any of the above options just because it’s what you really want, not because you were limited in your options and this was the best you could do. Freedom to choose is not a separate issue from having a range of not-terrible choices.
I believe the original is also making a valid point about how there is no wrong way to be a feminist, or a woman.
This is an excellent petition and everyone should sign it.
And crush the patriarchy!
hey guess what
you can like a female character
and also critique how they are handled in the movie/book/whatever
it doesn’t mean you’re a misogynist
you can say “I wish she had been given more screen time and character development”
or “I thought that scene really focused on her vulnerability in a squicky way that would not have been done to a male protagonist”
or “I know the white male author was trying his best and he did jump some bars but wow those are still really low bars and I had hoped for more”
or “I wish she weren’t the only woman in a sea of dudes who all get different character traits because no matter how well done she is there is only one of her and people have more of a chance of connecting to one of the dudes because they outnumber her and there’s one dude for every kind of person”
or “even though he’s trying to be respectful, I really don’t think the author knows what he’s doing with female characters”
or “wow the male characters here are treated so differently from the female characters, in a way I think privileges the male characters”
or “ugh I am so tired of seeing this trope used on female characters, I don’t even care if it’s well done at this point”
because guess what
female characters are not the same thing as women
female characters’ choices, actions, and portrayals can and should be critiqued and examined in a way that real women can and should not
because most of the time female characters are not written by women and not written for women
they are deliberately written, deliberately given certain character traits in a narrative that deliberately frames them in a certain way, and the creative choices their creators make are not above criticism
Also required reading for my followers.
As an addition to my last post about Bronies and manhood, I want to add that another aspect of “manhood” is the idea that men must always be in control. Men must always know more than women, be in charge of the situation, and be the one who makes decisions. That idea plays into the construction that men must pay for dates, must make more than the woman, must drive on a date, should choose the restaurant, should make all the decisions, hold doors, pull out chairs, etc… the framing is that they’re “taking care” of women, but it is also about them being in control. And men are very threatened by having that control be taken away no matter how much they complain about it. I’ve had more than one date get really angry at me for wanting to pay my own way because it takes away their control, and the idea that I would owe them after. If I pay my own way, to them, I’m an equal, and free to do my own thing. They feel less in control.
This relates to fandom similarly. Men feel threatened by the “incursion” of women into what they see as their spaces. As women expand in society, it becomes more and more important to manhood that men have their own spaces, because they cannot define themselves as “men” without being able to do things that women can’t. Hence all the policing of “fake geek girls”, the tests to prove that women don’t actually know anything about their favourite comic book, or the idea that they must be a better gamer than any woman who walks in. Sexual harassment, gendered put downs, rape threats, etc are all about this, keeping it a male space, preserving it from women, and keeping men in control. They’re the ones defining the worth of women in their spaces, and which women are, and aren’t, allowed in.
In the same way, “Bronies” that police other MLP fans, that chase out girls, that create a space unwelcoming of girl fans, are establishing the fandom as a male space, under the control of men. As I said in the last post, this is not breaking down gender roles, it’s merely an expansion of manhood into typically “girl” territory. It doesn’t share space, it doesn’t break down manhood, and it doesn’t tell men it’s okay to be girls, it just tells men “it’s okay to like this because it no longer belongs to girls, it belongs to you, and you are in control and must keep control for it to remain yours and not a “girl thing”“.
this is officially required reading for all of my followers.
It’s hard to find a gamer who won’t share his D&D books, or dice, to get a new person involved. Especially a woman. Or girl, depending on the age.
There was actually a ton of static in my first group because I was a girl. I got invited by the DM after a conversation at school, involving deities, pizza, and kissing, while we were both dawdling about getting to our next class. And, I was the only girl there who wasn’t dating one of the guys (there were four girls total in the group). And since I wasn’t an accessory girl, I really fucking pissed people off. As in one of the guys pulled me aside after game to tell me I was ruining “guys’ night,” because I wasn’t sexually available to any of them, and I was the only girl there on personal merit alone (some of the other girls were damned good players, don’t get me wrong, but acceptance of girls into the group as a whole was based mostly on sexual availability).
The DM stood up for me, because he’d personally invited me, and the girls stood up for me out of solidarity, but the group as a whole had a lot of problems.
Currently, I mostly play tabletop games in online chatrooms with people who live miles away. It’s just too difficult to find a meatspace group with no members that are sketchy or actively hostile towards me because I am a girl. (This is especially important for Exalted- you don’t play Exalted with people you can’t trust, not even one person in an otherwise good group. It will end very very very badly.) A lot of times even in a group that seems good at first, you’ll find that the guys think they’re doing you this huge favor by letting you into this place where you don’t actually have the right to be and you need to pay them back for it. In my first D&D group a girl was the DM, and we still wound up with a condescending jerk and an outright stalkery creep.
Sooooooooooo yeah, it’s not actually that easy for a girl to get into tabletop games. I mean, I really love my online group. It has basically the best people ever in it, including really great guys! I’ve had a lot of fun and expect to keep having a lot of fun. But if you have to go online to play pencil, paper and dice games, something has gone wrong.
but most of the people getting shot would be white guys, and we can’t have that.
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